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PostSubject: Diet: LGRS Suggie Soup   Diet: LGRS Suggie Soup EmptySat Mar 31, 2012 4:36 am

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DISCLAIMER: — Show this recipe to your veterinarian. — Let your veterinarian decide if its contents are good for your pet. — LGRS Suggie Soup is only one part of an overall diet plan. — See the complete section to learn more on foods to feed with the soup. Veterinarians: a comprehensive nutritional analysis of LGRS Suggie Soup is published on [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Introduction
The LGRS Suggie Soup is an economical, lower-fat, lower cholesterol, higher calcium, higher protein recipe than similar recipes that use expensive, imported ingredients. This is the standard recipe for all rescues and animals being rehabilitated at Lucky Glider Rescue & Sanctuary. You can dilute the finished product with water and syringe feed it to gliders who are suffering from metabolic bone disease or hind leg paralysis. It is important to first take malnourished gliders to the vet as they are often candidates for a subcutaneous calcium injection and other treatments.

Batches and Freezing
One "batch" of this recipe will produce about 7 cups. With a two tablespoon serving per glider per day, a batch would last a pair gliders two months, depending on waste. You need to keep the bulk of your batch frozen and only transfer amounts needed for a few days at a time into the refrigerator. Please note that as a rescue we err on the side of over-feeding especially when nursing malnourished rescues back to health You may be able to cut back the portions to a tablespoon and a half if the glider is generally healthy. You can water the formula down if they are getting fat. A full grown adult male should be about 150 grams. Gliders that get out of their cage every night and exercise for a few hours usually don't get fat.

Ingredients
1 cup of canned Mango juice or liquefied fresh Mango
1 cup of canned Papaya juice or liquefied fresh Papaya
2 cups of Calcium & Vitamin D fortified Orange Juice
2 cups of Filtered Honey -1
1/4 cup of Plain, Low-Fat Yogurt (kind with 12g protein per half pint)
1 small scrambled egg
1 Tablespoon of Trader Darwin's Vanilla Flavored Soy -2
1 Tablespoon of powdered, Dehydrated Fly Pupae -3
2 Tablespoons of powdered Bee Pollen -4

NOTE SEE FOOTNOTES BELOW FOR
SOURCES OF THESE INGREDIENTS

FOOTNOTES:
-1 Do not use raw, comb, or unfiltered honey. Look for the world “filtered” or
“pasteurized” on the label.
-2 A nutritional analysis of Trader Darwin’s Vanilla Flavored Soy is on this web
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If you cannot get this item in your area, other vitamin fortified soy isolate products
will work, but compare them and try to come close to this nutritional profile. A
suitable substitute for Trader Darwins is Arnold’s Choice Possum Milk Replacer.
You can find Arnold’s choice here:
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A third choice is Designer Whey:
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-3 Make sure they are DEHYDRATED. Get the Pupae *not* the Larvae.
Dehydrated fly pupae is available from Oregon Feeder Insects Inc. 866.641.8938
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If you cannot get this you can substitute dried crickets.
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You can also buy it at local “Whole Foods Market” or GNC nutrition stores.


Preparation
1. Cook and scramble egg, set aside to cool
2. With a blender, powder the bee pollen and dehydrated fly pupae together so it is one fine powder and set aside
3. Warm honey using a hot water bath method or microwave.
4. Mix warmed honey and juices in blender
5. Add protein powder and yogurt to the juice and honey mixture. Blend till smooth [depending on the size of your blender. You may need to blend the rest in stages]
6. Add egg and pollen/pupae mix into the liquid ingredients. Blend until smooth.
7. Pour into small freezer-safe containers for freezing use containers that you can put in the fridge with enough to last two or three days. If you have two gliders who will only eat two tablespoons per serving, those containers can be pretty small. You can freeze the soup in ice cube trays and pop the frozen cubes into freezer bags.


Fruit and Veggie and Meat Compotes
You should also offer a compote of properly balanced Fruits, Veggies and Meat on the side of the soup. Offer two tablespoons per glider. Watch out for high Ph contents of meats. Must offset so overall Ca:Ph ratio is 2:1

For compote examples see:
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Properly balanced compote recipes on the site include:
- CornPapayaExample (LuckyGlider)
- Eric's Example recipe (Eric Coleman)

Disclaimer: There will be other recipes on the public recipes page at sugarglider.com. Just being there does not make them automatically correct. You have to check. Inside of each recipe's nutritional analysis, be sure to scroll down and ensure there is twice as much calcium as there is phosphorus. That's the general rule of thumb. Dark green vegetables have good calcium, but it is cancelled out by the oxalates, so don't use dark green veggies for their Ca content.

Misleading Ratio Warning
Many dark, green leafy vegetables such as spinach and turnip greens tout high amounts of Ca and a favorable Ca:Ph ratio. This is misleading. Dark, green leafy vegetables are usually high in oxalates. This substance is known to bind to, and prevent the digestion of Calcium in the host plant. This means despite the “high” Calcium content, between 90 and 100 percent of it will not be available to metabolize.

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PostSubject: Re: Diet: LGRS Suggie Soup   Diet: LGRS Suggie Soup EmptyTue May 15, 2012 2:30 pm

Video on how to make suggie soup! made by viciousencounters [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]




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i got this from one of luckyglider's post it may help others understand better on how to feed suggie soup.


Great question. OK. let's establish first what meats are OK to feed:
1. Chicken, boiled or baked, no skin. Or canned with water or frozen and no preservatives
2. Turkey as in the same as chicken above
3. Lean, cooked hamburger.
4. Although technically not "meat" you can feed scrambled eggs

The problem with meat is each one of these is upside-down Ca:P-wise so you have to offset the phosphorus with calcium powder. The best D3-fortified stuff is Flukers brand because it mixes better than Repcal because it is a much finer powder. A pinch (1/8th of a teaspoon) is enough to spread out over 8 - 10 servings of meat. D3 helps in metabolizing the calcium so be sure to get the kind with D3 in it.

There are a couple of ways to feed meats.

One way is to just dice it up and serve it alongside the mixture of fruits and veggies.

Another way is to blend it with fruits or veggies that your gliders don't like. They are more likely to eat the fruits and veggies they don't like when you blend the meat in. In fact you can make little "meat balls" and bake them if you want. They will love it.

It's always a good idea to rotate the side dishes.

For example:

Sunday...
Orange Slices, Halved cherry tomatoes, diced cucumber and diced chicken (cooked) (add calcium)

Monday...
A plop of cottage cheese, watermelon, papaya chunks (8 parts), and corn (one part).

Tuesday...
Diced chicken (cooked), melon, broccoli, peas, and a plop of yogurt (add Calcium)

Wednesday...
Lean hamburger (cooked), mixed into a meatloaf with corn, peas, and berries on the side. (add calcium)

Thursday...
Scrambled eggs with green peppers, strawberries, and cucumber, and a few tiny pieces of plain cheese (add calcium)

Friday...
Turkey chunks with a medley of papaya, watermelon, and corn on the side (add calcium)

Saturday...
A plop of yogurt, cooked lean hamburger meatballs (tiny), apple and cherry tomatoes cut in half. (add calcium)

You can go here to resources/nutrition to try out the recipe calculator to play with the portions so you can see how changing the amount of one item vs. another will change the Ca:P ratio. As implied above, you can always "rightsize" the calcium by adding a tiny pinch of Flukers across multiple servings.

P.S. Most gliders are not lactose intolerant. They nurse for 15 weeks out of pouch and 70 days in-pouch so milk is not poison to them. Just don't over-do it on the cheese. Note how during a whole week there is one plop of cottage cheese and a few pieces of plain cheese.

P.P.S. Yes, they can have citrus and tomatoes. They love tomatoes in general. Just don't overdo it. The orange juice in the soup also has citrus for example.


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